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Sympneology
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License the purchase of alcohol
Mar 13 2008, 11:08 AM EDT
One can only own a gun in Australia if one has a licence for it. One can only sell alcohol in Australia if one has a licence to do so. One can only drive a motor vehicle in Australia if one has the appropriate licence. One can only run a radio or TV station in Australia if one has acquired a licence to do so. All these restrictions on our liberty to do what we want when we want, but where are the people marching on the streets?

Why could we not apply this principle to the acquisition as well as the sale of alcohol? Anyone over the age of 18 who wants it can get a licence, which must be shown when purchasing alcohol, and as long as they act responsibly they can keep it. If they act irresponsibly their licence can be suspended or cancelled. Of course there will be those who try to get around their suspension by asking a licensed drinker to buy grog for them, just as Aborigines used to ask whites to buy liquor for them when they were banned from hotels, but anyone who acceded to this request would be endangering their own licence, as would the hotelier who sold to an unlicensed drinker. Many people would protest, at first, at the suggestion that they could not be trusted to drink responsibly, but when it was pointed out that the same could be said of car drivers, hoteliers or gun owners they would see the sense of it. As to the additional paperwork, we have computers to do all that now.
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RE: License the purchase of alcohol
Mar 14 2008, 5:04 PM EDT
"One can only own a gun in Australia if one has a licence for it. One can only sell alcohol in Australia if one has a licence to do so. One can only drive a motor vehicle in Australia if one has the appropriate licence. One can only run a radio or TV station in Australia if one has acquired a licence to do so. All these restrictions on our liberty to do what we want when we want, but where are the people marching on the streets?

Of course there will be those who try to get around their suspension by asking a licensed drinker to buy grog for them, just as Aborigines used to ask whites to buy liquor for them when they were banned from hotels, but anyone who acceded to this request would be endangering their own licence, as would the hotelier who sold to an unlicensed drinker.

Many people would protest, at first, at the suggestion that they could not be trusted to drink responsibly, but when it was pointed out that the same could be said of car drivers, hoteliers or gun owners they would see the sense of it. As to the additional paperwork, we have computers to do all that now.
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I know, it's sad there aren't people marching in the streets over most of those restrictions.

If people wanted alcohol badly enough, they would pay the hotelier or the "licensed drinker" enough to make it worth the risk. Considering the ease with which those under 18 obtains alcohol, I hardly think this idea will be effective.

As far as your confidence in the political saleability of this idea I have to disagree here as well. The car driver comparison is a red herring, you don't need a licence to drive only to do so on "public" roads, people have no sympathy for hoteliers because they are a minority group and seen as "evil businessmen" etc, gun owners are even more vilified. Drinking on the other hand is practically a national sport.

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Sympneology
Sympneology
RE: License the purchase of alcohol
Mar 16 2008, 11:11 AM EDT
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If people wanted alcohol badly enough, they would pay the hotelier or the "licensed drinker" enough to make it worth the risk. Considering the ease with which those under 18 obtains alcohol, I hardly think this idea will be effective.

As far as your confidence in the political saleability of this idea I have to disagree here as well.
The car driver comparison is a red herring, you don't need a licence to drive only to do so on "public" roads, people have no sympathy for hoteliers because they are a minority group and seen as "evil businessmen" etc, gun owners are even more vilified. Drinking on the other hand is practically a national sport.

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I agree that there is too much sale of alcohol to underage drinkers, but is that a reason to simply ignore the problem because it is too hard? It used to be easy to get into a car and drive it when drunk but that problem was not ignored. The breathalyser was invented and random breath tests instituted. These have not solved the problem but they have gone a long way toward its amelioration. Even now a hotelier can lose his licence for selling to an underage or intoxicated customer, so he would face the same fate for selling to an unlicensed drinker, and the licensed drinker would lose his licence by buying liquor on behalf of such persons.

I have no confidence at all in the political saleability of the idea, it has all the hallmarks of a hopelessly idealistic pipe-dream. I am well aware of the enormous power of the alcohol industry and its ability to enchain the loyalty of the vast majority of the population who cannot get by without a drink, and who would be easily aroused by a well-funded publicity campaign suggesting that this would be a threat to their civil liberties.

As to your red herring, how many car drivers do you know who never drive on "public" roads?
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RE: License the purchase of alcohol
Mar 16 2008, 11:32 AM EDT
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As to your red herring, how many car drivers do you know who never drive on "public" roads?"
Not a lot, but I know plenty of people that drink at home.

The justification for a drivers license is not the car, but it's location, to make a fair comparison your license idea could really only stop people from drinking in streets and parks.
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Sympneology
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RE: License the purchase of alcohol
Mar 17 2008, 12:54 AM EDT
"Not a lot, but I know plenty of people that drink at home.

The justification for a drivers license is not the car, but it's location, to make a fair comparison your license idea could really only stop people from drinking in streets and parks."
Even people who drink at home must purchase their liquor from a licensed victualler, after which they could drink it at home, on licensed premises, or, if the law permitted, on the street or in a park. The alcohol purchaser's licence is not designed to prevent people from drinking but to encourage them to behave in a responsible manner when doing so.
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