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Posted Anonymously |
Citizenship - immigrants should wait longer
Feb 26 2008, 8:28 AM EST
Permanent residence grants a person basic civil rights (eg free speech, freedom of association). Citizenship grants a person basic political rights (eg the right to vote). Citizenship should entail a longer waiting period than in does at the moment. We should not be in such a hurry to grant immigrants political rights. They should wait ten years. Of course they should be granted basic civil rights as soon as they arrive. 40 out of 58 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Andy38 |
1. RE: Citizenship - immigrants should wait longer
Feb 27 2008, 3:26 AM EST
I agree with this and I'm in favour of increased immigration.
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Polyquats |
2. RE: Citizenship - immigrants should wait longer
Mar 3 2008, 6:06 AM EST
Ten year wait for the right to vote? Surely you're joking...
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Posted Anonymously |
3. RE: Citizenship - immigrants should wait longer
Mar 5 2008, 10:10 PM EST
Waiting periods for some other countries:-Germany = 8 years Spain = 10 years Italy = 10 years Switzerland = 12 years http://opm.gov/extra/investigate/IS-01.pdf This is not a radical proposal. Neither is it a joke. It is a serious recommendation. Civil rights and political rights are not the same thing. Citizenship should not be handed out like candy even if we do have a genereous immigration intake. And ten years is not such a long time. After ten years in Australia immigrants have a better idea what the country is about. If you are born here you have to wait 18 years. 5 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Polyquats |
4. RE: Citizenship - immigrants should wait longer
Mar 12 2008, 3:40 AM EDT
Lots of countries have the death penalty, doesn't make it a good idea.Who is to decide this arbitary difference between a civil right and a political right (would have helped if you'd bothered to define)? And how to get people to integrate and settle in if they are not allowed to take part in the most fundamental of our democratic processes? Come join our wonderful democracy; oh no, not yet, wait on the sidelines for a decade. Seems like a futile idea to me, rather counterproductive. I won't be contributing further to this thread. I generally find arguing with bigots is a waste of time. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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5. RE: Citizenship - immigrants should wait longer
Mar 14 2008, 9:25 AM EDT
Civil and political rights should not depend on citizenship. Any permanent resident should be able to vote once they have been in the country for 5 years. Permanent residents contribute to the country like everyone else, but are denied the right to have a say. A pledge and passport doesn't make you Australian, that takes time. Other countries have longer waiting times to become citizens, but they do not necessarily deny the rigth to vote prior to becoming a citizen.
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Posted Anonymously |
6. RE: Citizenship - immigrants should wait longer
Mar 18 2008, 11:41 AM EDT
Only citizens should be allowed to vote. Becoming a citizen should give you:-a) An aussie passport. b) The right to vote at local, state and federal elections. We should not give away citizenship too readily. We should be an open country that lets in people from all over the world (as permanent residents) with only basic immigration restrictions. However we should not presume that every imported culture wants to reflexively preserve our liberal traditions. As such we should be much more guarded with opening up access to the vote. Citizenship should be a thing of value that requires time to earn. If somebody has been here 10 years then clearly they are commited to the place and have adapted at least somewhat to the local culture. They have also probably learnt the language. There is little harm in having a ten year delay applied to citizenship. 5 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
