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Posted Anonymously |
"FREE EDUCATION" WE WANT IT BACK.
Feb 23 2008, 11:52 PM EST
We are a rich country despite the gloom and doom of what passes as reportage in news media. We had free education from about 1973 until the rich conservative forces (including in the ALP) decided we were over educated and not producing cheaply enough Howard fooled almost every one most of the time into thinking we were in Heaven. Now we have to pay for our foolishness. We need more and better education. Let's go back to free education. 47 out of 94 found this valuable. Do you? |
Randall_Berger |
1. RE: "FREE EDUCATION" WE WANT IT BACK.
Feb 24 2008, 4:16 AM EST
I take it you mean free tertiary education. Frankly, I'd rather see an improvement in primary and second education before we bring back free university. I also don't think we should ever have totally free tertiary eduction. It was subject to a lot of abuse. "Things that are free are worth next to nothing." People have a bit more respect for things they pay something for. However, I do agree that the full user-pays HECS scheme we have now is discouraging for people wanting a university education. Before 1973, there was the Commonwealth Scholarship scheme ... maybe bring something like that back. 5 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Posted Anonymously |
2. RE: "FREE EDUCATION" WE WANT IT BACK.
Feb 26 2008, 2:14 AM EST
I agree - free tertiary education for all Australians. it is a disgrace that young people enter the workforce with a huge HECS debt hanging over them, and many are forced to work extensive hours in miserable part-time employment.Let's get incentives back to students seeking a better life for themselves (and the rest us through their hard work.) 5 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Andy38 |
3. RE: "FREE EDUCATION" WE WANT IT BACK.
Feb 27 2008, 1:40 AM EST
Even the system we have today makes it far too easy to go to university, basically you have to go otherwise people will think you're a moron, there are tons of jobs that don't actually require a degree they just "require" one as a status symbol. Proof that you're literate and can jump through some hoops.People with degree's worth having, doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc, make plenty of money. 2 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Posted Anonymously |
4. RE: "FREE EDUCATION" WE WANT IT BACK.
Feb 27 2008, 3:40 AM EST
I don;t see why workers who don't have a university education should subsidise others to get one... that's what "free uni" means - it means that a blue-collar worker's taxes are going to some snob to get a free arts degree.
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5. RE: "FREE EDUCATION" WE WANT IT BACK.
Feb 27 2008, 4:32 AM EST
"Your belief is demonstratably incorrect: the number of students haven't dropped, despite continuing increases in HECS. Fact is, many will never pay it nack (particularly women, who have a tendency to drop out of the work force). 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. RE: "FREE EDUCATION" WE WANT IT BACK.
Feb 27 2008, 4:34 AM EST
"Even the system we have today makes it far too easy to go to university, basically you have to go otherwise people will think you're a moron, there are tons of jobs that don't actually require a degree they just "require" one as a status symbol. Proof that you're literate and can jump through some hoops."Funnily enough, I find some degrees render people unemployable. 5 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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arctanx |
7. RE: "FREE EDUCATION" WE WANT IT BACK.
Mar 6 2008, 7:46 AM EST
HECS is not as bad as people make it out to be. Really. There is no obligation to pay it back until you're earning a high income (I don't know the figure off the top of my head -- I believe it is $30k+) and scales depending upon your salary. If someone has the money to support themselves while they are studying, in my opinion there is nothing to stop them getting a degree and using the presumably well-paying job they gain with their extra ability to slowly pay back the money.Regardless, I'm not opposed to a free tertiary education system, but there should be very clear ongoing educational achievement required to get continued access to welfare money while a student, if applicable. The last thing we need is thousands of dole bludgers claiming that they're studying, without trying. Furthermore, they should be required to work a certain number of hours during the summer break, or have payments cease over that period. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: "FREE EDUCATION" WE WANT IT BACK.
Mar 7 2008, 9:05 AM EST
Free education costs too much.
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9. RE: "FREE EDUCATION" WE WANT IT BACK.
Mar 28 2008, 7:58 PM EDT
"There is an inherent contradiction in you suggestion about totally free tertiary education. As we have been paying more and more for degrees, they have become worth less and less. As money has evaporated from the sector (or been moved to the bureaucracy that manages the academics), and there has been less money for resources, teaching support, examination and assessment, the values of a degree has been devalued. Now hardly worth the sacrifice in terms of time, let alone the HEX (spelling intended) that goes with it. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
